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COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

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The COBIT® 5 Implementation guide1 is one of the most valuable jewels in the COBIT® 5 crown. Any practitioner who has used any of the COBIT 5 practices and guidance might have come across the implementation guidance at some point in time.

Often, practitioners and consultants who are new to the COBIT 5 family of products consider implementation of the COBIT 5 process reference model as the implementation of COBIT 5. This is called the “COBIT 5 Implementation Myth.”  

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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

I strongly disagree with the opinion of the author. The COBIT 5 Implementation guide has little to do with COBIT 5 or the governance and management of IT. 

The COBIT 5 Implementation guide describes at a high-level a methodology for managing a programme. It doesn't even follow the BAI01 process (although there is a point where it does reference this process as a source of information for managing programmes).

The COBIT 5 Implementation methodology best suits a SOX programme. Many of the steps in the methodology are required because it is an externally driven/motivated controls implementation programme (possibly addressing MEA2). Most interesting, phase 7 is largely about "selling more work to the client". 

There are many other implementation methodologies based on the COBIT 5 process model.
 

 
peterhillEnergizer at 7/10/2015 12:22:10 PM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” One of the Albert Einstein's insight that one of my colleagues often quote. The COBIT5 body of knowledge offers much more practical value than the theories behind any of the COBIT5 publications. This applies to the COBIT5 implementation guide too. Have you come across the "COBIT5 implementation myth"? What's your interpretation of implementing a system for governance of enterprise IT (GEIT)?
Paras_Shah1Social at 7/14/2015 9:10:56 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

If there is a myth, its that there is a COBIT 5 implementation myth. As most experienced COBIT 5 users will tell you, the COBIT 5 process reference model is the most valuable component available.

peterhillEnergizer at 7/14/2015 10:56:37 AM Quote
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The implementation consierations will be dependent upon the extent of buy-in from senior management. It's not wholly necessary to follow the Implementation guidance for selective parts of COBIT, or even some of the processes, which may benefit organisations in modular areas. What's required is a pragmatic and perhaps tailored approach to implementation based upon the culture, apetite and environment of the organisation.
Heathley ClarkeLively at 8/1/2015 1:00:28 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

The implementation consierations will be dependent upon the extent of buy-in from senior management. It's not wholly necessary to follow the Implementation guidance for selective parts of COBIT, or even some of the processes, which may benefit organisations in modular areas. What's required is a pragmatic and perhaps tailored approach to implementation based upon the culture, apetite and environment of the organisation.
Heathley ClarkeLively at 8/1/2015 1:00:28 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

If there is a myth, its that there is a COBIT 5 implementation myth. As most experienced COBIT 5 users will tell you, the COBIT 5 process reference model is the most valuable component available.

peterhillEnergizer at 7/14/2015 10:56:37 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” One of the Albert Einstein's insight that one of my colleagues often quote. The COBIT5 body of knowledge offers much more practical value than the theories behind any of the COBIT5 publications. This applies to the COBIT5 implementation guide too. Have you come across the "COBIT5 implementation myth"? What's your interpretation of implementing a system for governance of enterprise IT (GEIT)?
Paras_Shah1Social at 7/14/2015 9:10:56 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

I strongly disagree with the opinion of the author. The COBIT 5 Implementation guide has little to do with COBIT 5 or the governance and management of IT. 

The COBIT 5 Implementation guide describes at a high-level a methodology for managing a programme. It doesn't even follow the BAI01 process (although there is a point where it does reference this process as a source of information for managing programmes).

The COBIT 5 Implementation methodology best suits a SOX programme. Many of the steps in the methodology are required because it is an externally driven/motivated controls implementation programme (possibly addressing MEA2). Most interesting, phase 7 is largely about "selling more work to the client". 

There are many other implementation methodologies based on the COBIT 5 process model.
 

 
peterhillEnergizer at 7/10/2015 12:22:10 PM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

I strongly disagree with the opinion of the author. The COBIT 5 Implementation guide has little to do with COBIT 5 or the governance and management of IT. 

The COBIT 5 Implementation guide describes at a high-level a methodology for managing a programme. It doesn't even follow the BAI01 process (although there is a point where it does reference this process as a source of information for managing programmes).

The COBIT 5 Implementation methodology best suits a SOX programme. Many of the steps in the methodology are required because it is an externally driven/motivated controls implementation programme (possibly addressing MEA2). Most interesting, phase 7 is largely about "selling more work to the client". 

There are many other implementation methodologies based on the COBIT 5 process model.
 

 
peterhillEnergizer at 7/10/2015 12:22:10 PM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” One of the Albert Einstein's insight that one of my colleagues often quote. The COBIT5 body of knowledge offers much more practical value than the theories behind any of the COBIT5 publications. This applies to the COBIT5 implementation guide too. Have you come across the "COBIT5 implementation myth"? What's your interpretation of implementing a system for governance of enterprise IT (GEIT)?
Paras_Shah1Social at 7/14/2015 9:10:56 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

If there is a myth, its that there is a COBIT 5 implementation myth. As most experienced COBIT 5 users will tell you, the COBIT 5 process reference model is the most valuable component available.

peterhillEnergizer at 7/14/2015 10:56:37 AM Quote
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RE: COBIT Focus - Are You a COBIT 5 Expert, Champion or Consultant? Be Aware!

The implementation consierations will be dependent upon the extent of buy-in from senior management. It's not wholly necessary to follow the Implementation guidance for selective parts of COBIT, or even some of the processes, which may benefit organisations in modular areas. What's required is a pragmatic and perhaps tailored approach to implementation based upon the culture, apetite and environment of the organisation.
Heathley ClarkeLively at 8/1/2015 1:00:28 AM Quote
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