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Implementing governance

I'm in the process of helping an organization select an IT governance framework. What would you say the one thing that makes COBIT better than other governance frameworks?
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For me COBIT covers Enterprise IT end to end with the other frameworks i.e. ITIL, ISO, TOGAF etc. etc. complementing. COBIT will give you guidance but then refers to the other industry standards for the detail of how to implement where appropriate. When selling COBIT to my organisation we are telling our SME's that if they are ITIL experts for example, that's great, carry on doing all the good things ITIL expects, we will now translate those into COBIT terms. The key here is to have the mapping of COBIT5 to the other frameworks/standards.
Katherine824Lively at 2/17/2017 1:50:48 AM Quote
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It helps to find the right alignment between Business Goals and IT Goals, so it can be used to create VALUE for the organization. Anyway, it needs strong skills to manage in implementing in the right way and it requires a strong commitment and support from the Board and Executive Managers. 
IF correctly implemented, we have a lot of advantages:
1) holistic approach (we don´t loose what we have already present in the company,... it´s like an umbrella, a framework where we could integrate other models).
2) Common and easy language for IT and Business, helping to translate strategy into effective actions
3) Extensive (covering with 37 processes, 3 of Governance and 34 of Management, the compony needs from end to end)
4) helps to reach conformity to norms and regulations not only towards a specific issue...Security 
5) Easy to Audit (it was born as an auditing model and helps Internal and External auditors to find Strengths and Weakness in the company) and to enforce Information Systems Controls.
6) Open and Available 
.... we can go on  and on and on .....
Stefania72Lively at 2/17/2017 5:04:05 AM Quote
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Thank you for your feedback. I will refer to your comments if I get into a debate on which framework to adopt and implement. My preference is to select a framework that is more widely accepted across the globe. Unfortunately, there are no stats on which GEIT framework is more "popular".
david hoEnergizer at 2/21/2017 1:58:32 PM Quote
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One thing: COBIT 5 covers the enterprise end-to-end; From Governance to Management to IT Investments to Operational Activities to Support to Monitoring and Conformance. Regarding your comment about the stats for popular GEIT Framework, I don't know much about any other frameworks. Yes there are GEIT frameworks available but they don't cover the Enterprise end-to-end and talks about other standards in bits and pieces. Also, if you google I believe you will find some surveys and statistics regarding popular GEIT Frameworks. Lastly, I would suggest to choose a framework that matches your requirements and covers the needs of your organization, rather than going for a "popular" one. One may choose a "popular" framework but if it is not applicable and relevant to the organization, all the efforts will be wasted. Thank you!
HAFIZ SHEIKH ADNAN AHMEDSocial at 2/21/2017 11:04:50 PM Quote
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I like COBIT 5 because it has a huge community support from ISACA members. I have worked for many organizations and consulted with many more. I would argue COBIT 5 covers all the needs of any organization. But you must customize it to make it work for your organization, or supplement COBIT 5 with other frameworks, such as ITIL, COSO, and ISO. I like the fact that COBIT continues to evolve with input from so many talented experts.
david hoEnergizer at 2/22/2017 9:43:31 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

I like COBIT 5 because it has a huge community support from ISACA members. I have worked for many organizations and consulted with many more. I would argue COBIT 5 covers all the needs of any organization. But you must customize it to make it work for your organization, or supplement COBIT 5 with other frameworks, such as ITIL, COSO, and ISO. I like the fact that COBIT continues to evolve with input from so many talented experts.
david hoEnergizer at 2/22/2017 9:43:31 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

One thing: COBIT 5 covers the enterprise end-to-end; From Governance to Management to IT Investments to Operational Activities to Support to Monitoring and Conformance. Regarding your comment about the stats for popular GEIT Framework, I don't know much about any other frameworks. Yes there are GEIT frameworks available but they don't cover the Enterprise end-to-end and talks about other standards in bits and pieces. Also, if you google I believe you will find some surveys and statistics regarding popular GEIT Frameworks. Lastly, I would suggest to choose a framework that matches your requirements and covers the needs of your organization, rather than going for a "popular" one. One may choose a "popular" framework but if it is not applicable and relevant to the organization, all the efforts will be wasted. Thank you!
HAFIZ SHEIKH ADNAN AHMEDSocial at 2/21/2017 11:04:50 PM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

Thank you for your feedback. I will refer to your comments if I get into a debate on which framework to adopt and implement. My preference is to select a framework that is more widely accepted across the globe. Unfortunately, there are no stats on which GEIT framework is more "popular".
david hoEnergizer at 2/21/2017 1:58:32 PM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

It helps to find the right alignment between Business Goals and IT Goals, so it can be used to create VALUE for the organization. Anyway, it needs strong skills to manage in implementing in the right way and it requires a strong commitment and support from the Board and Executive Managers. 
IF correctly implemented, we have a lot of advantages:
1) holistic approach (we don´t loose what we have already present in the company,... it´s like an umbrella, a framework where we could integrate other models).
2) Common and easy language for IT and Business, helping to translate strategy into effective actions
3) Extensive (covering with 37 processes, 3 of Governance and 34 of Management, the compony needs from end to end)
4) helps to reach conformity to norms and regulations not only towards a specific issue...Security 
5) Easy to Audit (it was born as an auditing model and helps Internal and External auditors to find Strengths and Weakness in the company) and to enforce Information Systems Controls.
6) Open and Available 
.... we can go on  and on and on .....
Stefania72Lively at 2/17/2017 5:04:05 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

For me COBIT covers Enterprise IT end to end with the other frameworks i.e. ITIL, ISO, TOGAF etc. etc. complementing. COBIT will give you guidance but then refers to the other industry standards for the detail of how to implement where appropriate. When selling COBIT to my organisation we are telling our SME's that if they are ITIL experts for example, that's great, carry on doing all the good things ITIL expects, we will now translate those into COBIT terms. The key here is to have the mapping of COBIT5 to the other frameworks/standards.
Katherine824Lively at 2/17/2017 1:50:48 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

It helps to find the right alignment between Business Goals and IT Goals, so it can be used to create VALUE for the organization. Anyway, it needs strong skills to manage in implementing in the right way and it requires a strong commitment and support from the Board and Executive Managers. 
IF correctly implemented, we have a lot of advantages:
1) holistic approach (we don´t loose what we have already present in the company,... it´s like an umbrella, a framework where we could integrate other models).
2) Common and easy language for IT and Business, helping to translate strategy into effective actions
3) Extensive (covering with 37 processes, 3 of Governance and 34 of Management, the compony needs from end to end)
4) helps to reach conformity to norms and regulations not only towards a specific issue...Security 
5) Easy to Audit (it was born as an auditing model and helps Internal and External auditors to find Strengths and Weakness in the company) and to enforce Information Systems Controls.
6) Open and Available 
.... we can go on  and on and on .....
Stefania72Lively at 2/17/2017 5:04:05 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

One thing: COBIT 5 covers the enterprise end-to-end; From Governance to Management to IT Investments to Operational Activities to Support to Monitoring and Conformance. Regarding your comment about the stats for popular GEIT Framework, I don't know much about any other frameworks. Yes there are GEIT frameworks available but they don't cover the Enterprise end-to-end and talks about other standards in bits and pieces. Also, if you google I believe you will find some surveys and statistics regarding popular GEIT Frameworks. Lastly, I would suggest to choose a framework that matches your requirements and covers the needs of your organization, rather than going for a "popular" one. One may choose a "popular" framework but if it is not applicable and relevant to the organization, all the efforts will be wasted. Thank you!
HAFIZ SHEIKH ADNAN AHMEDSocial at 2/21/2017 11:04:50 PM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

For me COBIT covers Enterprise IT end to end with the other frameworks i.e. ITIL, ISO, TOGAF etc. etc. complementing. COBIT will give you guidance but then refers to the other industry standards for the detail of how to implement where appropriate. When selling COBIT to my organisation we are telling our SME's that if they are ITIL experts for example, that's great, carry on doing all the good things ITIL expects, we will now translate those into COBIT terms. The key here is to have the mapping of COBIT5 to the other frameworks/standards.
Katherine824Lively at 2/17/2017 1:50:48 AM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

Thank you for your feedback. I will refer to your comments if I get into a debate on which framework to adopt and implement. My preference is to select a framework that is more widely accepted across the globe. Unfortunately, there are no stats on which GEIT framework is more "popular".
david hoEnergizer at 2/21/2017 1:58:32 PM Quote
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RE: Implementing governance

I like COBIT 5 because it has a huge community support from ISACA members. I have worked for many organizations and consulted with many more. I would argue COBIT 5 covers all the needs of any organization. But you must customize it to make it work for your organization, or supplement COBIT 5 with other frameworks, such as ITIL, COSO, and ISO. I like the fact that COBIT continues to evolve with input from so many talented experts.
david hoEnergizer at 2/22/2017 9:43:31 AM Quote
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